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#11

General Discussion / Re: Workflow with two computer...

Last post by Indy33 - December 14, 2024, 10:29:31 PM

At the moment I'm cleaning all my vinyl and will start ripping over Christmas...

If you have any tips, then I'm all ears

Rob

You've got quite the job ahead of you. You really need to be able to clean multiple albums at one time. Have you considered a ultrasonic cleaner? Ultrasonic cleaning is covered in Neal's document. There is also a lengthy discussion about it in the link below.

I listen mostly to classic rock, country and jazz. I'm a baby boomer, so I grew up with what's called Classic Rock. Met my wife in a country bar in Houston and now that I'm more MATURE (LOL), jazz is good also. I wonder, does that make me a Classic? 

OH boy the subject of how to clean a vinyl record!!! The bible was written by Neil Antin a Navy Officer and engineer responsible for  precision cleaning techniques for the Navy. The document he wrote is 196 pages, but don't think that you have to complete every step. I only do three steps if you don't count the rises. Those would be Liquinox, Tergikleen and Vinegar.

https://www.amazon.com/Alconox-Liquinox-Critical-Cleaning-Detergent/dp/B003FZAQKG/ref

https://tergikleen.net/

The download button for Neil's PDF file is at the bottom, so page down to find it.
https://thevinylpress.com/precision-aqueous-cleaning-of-vinyl-records-3rd-edition/

Below is a snippet of his BIO.

Author Bio: Mr. Antin volunteered his time to prepare this document and is a retired Naval SeaSystems Command (NAVSEA) Technical Warrant who from the late 1980's for 20-years was the NAVSEA technical authority for MIL-STD-1330 Precision Cleaning and Testing of Shipboard Oxygen, Helium, Helium-Oxygen, Nitrogen, And Hydrogen Systems and MIL-STD-1622 Standard Practice for Cleaning of Shipboard Compressed Air Systems.

I use 13" or 14" cake pans so I can completely submerge the album. Using a label saver and a paint brush for edges I can agitate the solutions and surface of the vinyl. The brush is very soft.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002N8ZO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

When you get done reading the "Precision Aqueous Cleaning of Vinyl Records", then you can check out the forum thread on the topic where Neil is a daily participant. It's only 46 web pages.

https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/timas-diy-rcm.26013/

I'm planning on cleaning some albums tomorrow. If you like I can take some pics of my setup.

Cheers !
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#12

General Discussion / Re: Workflow with two computer...

Last post by Paul Sanders (AlpineSoft) - December 14, 2024, 09:19:51 PM

My tips are:

1.  Keep your original recordings (along with the albums in your collection) if you can.  Then you can always save your tracks again if you find something you don't like.  Disk space is cheaper than your valuable time!

2.  Learn how VinylStudio's 'This is a single' functionality works.

3.  Back up your work (see #1).

Good luck!

#13

General Discussion / Re: Workflow with two computer...

Last post by robxbl69 - December 14, 2024, 08:22:21 PM

I rather enjoy the whole process, ripping, breaking into tracks and then removing the clicks. I'm at about 150 albums now, how many are you going to rip?

What hardware are you using?

Rick

I have around 3,000 12" singles/EP's and a few albums. Mainly hip hop from around 1986 to 1990/91, some more mainstream dance from 1989 to 1990, however the majority of my collection is rave from 1991 to 1995. Lots of obscure white labels, DJ promo's etc none of which I can find available digitally.

I stopped DJing at some point in late 1995 as I'd had enough and had other things going on in my life. All my vinyl went in boxes and over the last 30 years has been in dry storage (not in a shed!). A few months back I got it all out and on a rack so it was accessible and started dabbling again. I still have/had my Technics 1210 Mk II's from back in the day. I think I bought my first one in 1987 and the second in 1988 (I couldn't afford to buy a pair in one go).

The 1210's have had a clean, new cables and new LED's etc and they still work fantastic. I've recently purchased a Rane Seventy mixer as my old DMC 'battle' mixer is way past it's prime. The Rane Seventy is an awesome DJ mixer for vinyl (and will also be my audio interface/pre-amp to use with Vinyl Studio), however to get the most out of it I need to rip all (most) of my vinyl into a digital form to use with Serato DJ. Back in the day I always had Stanton 500 AL cartridges (was the norm as much as the 1200/1210 Mk II was for DJing). I have purchased a couple of Numark CC-1 cartridges (these are DJ carts) and these definitely sounds better than my old Stanton cartridges even with new (copy) styli.

I'm got planning on doing to much fiddling with the files once ripped (I can always go back and do this later if I find a track has a really crackly bit). I will obviously trim them and some tracks need a bit of EQ adjustment, but my main reason for using Vinyl Studio is the integration with Discogs and the hours of pain this will save me.

At the moment I'm cleaning all my vinyl and will start ripping over Christmas...

If you have any tips, then I'm all ears

Rob

#14

General Discussion / Re: Ripping idea, call me craz...

Last post by LtMandella - December 12, 2024, 11:33:15 PM

[[ this will also affect the equalisation applied by your phono preamp ]]

well that's the end of that idea then.  I would not want to hassle with also modifying the EQ for playback. 

[[ can I hear mis-tracking artifacts ?]]  To answer that question, I would need to A/B test I guess.

#15

General Discussion / Re: Workflow with two computer...

Last post by Indy33 - December 12, 2024, 10:55:43 PM

I rather enjoy the whole process, ripping, breaking into tracks and then removing the clicks. I'm at about 150 albums now, how many are you going to rip?

What hardware are you using?

Rick

#16

Technical Support / Re: Cut & Splice

Last post by Indy33 - December 12, 2024, 10:47:47 PM

I listened both ways and thought that must be what's happening.

Thanks Paul !

Rick

#17

General Discussion / Re: Ripping idea, call me craz...

Last post by Paul Sanders (AlpineSoft) - December 12, 2024, 10:41:56 PM

Well, apart from the fact that recording will take twice as long, this will also affect the equalisation applied by your phono preamp.  Personally, I wouldn't do this, can you hear any artefacts introduced by tracking errors?

#18

Technical Support / Re: Cut & Splice

Last post by Paul Sanders (AlpineSoft) - December 12, 2024, 10:39:47 PM

That's right, that's how it works (so that the audio lines up with the waveform display).  And no, I don't think the help file mentions this.

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#19

Technical Support / Cut & Splice

Last post by Indy33 - December 12, 2024, 09:36:45 PM

I wanted to confirm something about C&S command.

- When playing the file in VS with Correction on you will hear both Cut and Splice and VS corrections.
- When playing the file in VS without Correction on you will hear only the Cut and Splice.

If there is something about this in the Help file, I didn't find it.

Rick

#20

General Discussion / Ripping idea, call me crazy

Last post by LtMandella - December 12, 2024, 07:43:18 PM

I have started a new project ripping about 100 LPs.  And I had a thought.  I have a pretty high end rig (AudioTechica MC cartridge, Music Hall MMF7 TT (rebranded Project OEM I believe).

Anyway, my thought is this: Tracking perfectly is usually a challenge for LP playback, even with very good hardware. 

What would be the effect on tracking compliance if running the TT speed at 1/2 (or even lower)?

Seems like it could only improve tracking, helping to reduce any potential mis-tracking.  Since we are digitizing anyway, playing back at double speed to correct for pitch is easy enough.

Am I wrong?